Below is the meeting minutes where we discuss Stephens suggestion in the "Got lot's of land, No ownership!" thread.
My intent this Saturday is turn the development over to either NEWJO or DWE as they are the closest to the land. I NEED someone to come with me on Saturday, meet the landowner, scout/mark trails, and take charge of the development....it could also be done jointly BETWEEN both NEWJO & DWE
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Transfer of Land Development to Clubs
Scott informed the BOD of a request that was made in regards to transferring the development of Association parcels to individual member clubs. After a lengthy discussion, Rosco motioned, and Jen made a second, to develop a pilot program for land stewardship. The motion passed with a unanimous vote. The BOD agreed to continue the discussion online. Scott will inform the club member who suggested the idea, that the BOD is working on the details and he is more than welcome to participate in the development. The BOD is contemplating the use of the Wentworth land as the first test area.
Full Version: Help "Got lot's of land, No ownership!" Part II
The background info:
http://forum.newjo.org/index.php?showtopic=2671
Here is our chance to put our money where our mouth is. We can do this. I know we can.
We need help though. We need people to step and give this a shot.
Have you got questions? Post them up...maybe we have answers.
This is a pilot project. You can help set the stage for future development of land. Have you ever thought.... jeesh... what am I accomplishing here.... Well trust me, this is a made to win project that has clear and tangible benefits.
http://forum.newjo.org/index.php?showtopic=2671
Here is our chance to put our money where our mouth is. We can do this. I know we can.
We need help though. We need people to step and give this a shot.
Have you got questions? Post them up...maybe we have answers.
This is a pilot project. You can help set the stage for future development of land. Have you ever thought.... jeesh... what am I accomplishing here.... Well trust me, this is a made to win project that has clear and tangible benefits.
I cannot take charge of this project, nor can I attend on saturday but can certainly volunteer to help with trail cuts, etc.
I hope someone can spearhead this effort without taking too much on his/her plate...
I hope someone can spearhead this effort without taking too much on his/her plate...
i will be out of the country saturday. well, new jersey, same thing.
time willing i'll try my best to be there for other projects my late summer is pretty busy though. however, this land is pretty damn close for me.
time willing i'll try my best to be there for other projects my late summer is pretty busy though. however, this land is pretty damn close for me.
The trail cut is scheduled for August 7th
PFMG's in :maine:
oh well, paul you're on your own.
pretty sure i can make that.
oh well, paul you're on your own.
pretty sure i can make that.
I will beaway on vacation on the 7th.
And John O'Leary's clambake is the same day if I'm not mistaken.
And John O'Leary's clambake is the same day if I'm not mistaken.
yup, I would like to see this come to fruition, but I will be at Johns, or one of the other 6 things I have going on that weekend. I am interested in making this work, and also being privy to the developement of the pilot program!
The date for the trail cut was set back in January.
If you would like to be privy to this program come out to scout with us on Saturday. We will most likely discuss this at our next NEA BOD meeting on August 28th
If you would like to be privy to this program come out to scout with us on Saturday. We will most likely discuss this at our next NEA BOD meeting on August 28th
I will be in Essex!
Scott,
Isn't Jenn already the land manager of the Cemetary Hill property?
Isn't Jenn already the land manager of the Cemetary Hill property?
| QUOTE (Krawler @ Jul 28 2004, 10:08 AM) |
| Scott, Isn't Jenn already the land manager of the Cemetary Hill property? |
Yes she is. This is completely seperate and a pilot program based on Stephens thoughts about a "club" taking some form of ownership of a piece of property. Cemetary Hill, as of right now... is not like that.
| QUOTE (Shane Beard @ Jul 28 2004, 10:21 AM) | ||
Yes she is. This is completely seperate and a pilot program based on Stephens thoughts about a "club" taking some form of ownership of a piece of property. Cemetary Hill, as of right now... is not like that. |
thanks, shane.
cem hill is more managing conditions, trail maintenance scheduling, so on and so forth for the association. this program is for a club (OUR club) to become 'stewards' of the land (basically what i am doing for cem hill, but collectively as a club).how can we say no to an opportunity like this?
either way, i am in for helping. i'll be there for the scout on saturday.
what, exactly, entails a land steward?
| QUOTE (kjp98tj @ Jul 28 2004, 11:06 AM) |
| what, exactly, entails a land steward? |
I could say all kinds of stuff here but I would be talking without knowing really. It's a pilot program. The land steward club, the nea4wd clubs, and the lead land steward for the club (if I can call it that) will make up the rules as they go.
For starters though... probably be the key contact with the landowner, manage trail cuts and maint., etc.
We will be defining the roles/process as we go.
That's my take anyway. We only started discussing this at the last meeting. It certianly needs some definition. The cool thing is, we would be instrumental in creating those definitions.
| QUOTE (kjp98tj @ Jul 28 2004, 11:06 AM) |
| what, exactly, entails a land steward? |
our club would be the ones responsible for trail cuts, maintenance - basically developing the land. it will NOT, however, just be NEWJO's land to run. the land is still for the whole NEA4WDC, but one club (ours) would be in charge of getting things done. of course the help of the other association clubs would be available when needed.
its a first. hopefully we can have other clubs do the same with properties all over new england. that way we will not have land available and sitting, but no time and manpower to develop it...
The delegates decided that the majority of the NEA land holdings fall within an area where most clubs can help manage the lands so therefore they will remain NEA holdings. Cemetery Hill is one such property. Jenn, although a member of NEWJO, has taken a role within the NEA as our first official land manager to monitor and oversee a parcel of NEA permissioned land.
However on a case by case basis we will run into holdings that are logistically and geographically beyond the majority of the clubs and their members. For parcels like these it was felt that a club with the backing and support of the NEA would be in a better position to monitor, manage, and maintain these parcels.
At the moment the Delegates of the NEA have not decided whether NEWJO, DWE, or both clubs will oversee the Wentworth property. Both clubs will have representives on hand this Saturday.
Remember this is a pilot program so we will be working out the specifics as we go. This property is owned by a member of an NEA club so any mistakes we make can corrected before being applied to other areas if the program is successful.
However on a case by case basis we will run into holdings that are logistically and geographically beyond the majority of the clubs and their members. For parcels like these it was felt that a club with the backing and support of the NEA would be in a better position to monitor, manage, and maintain these parcels.
At the moment the Delegates of the NEA have not decided whether NEWJO, DWE, or both clubs will oversee the Wentworth property. Both clubs will have representives on hand this Saturday.
Remember this is a pilot program so we will be working out the specifics as we go. This property is owned by a member of an NEA club so any mistakes we make can corrected before being applied to other areas if the program is successful.
I am willing to be a main conatct, secondary contact what ever is needed, but as stated I can not be at the saturday trail scout/expedition.
I think this is a positive direction, but also feel someone closer to the land should be the primary contact! Maybe Mike Rizzo 26 miles, John barger 52 miles, Jen Marrs 54 miles, Doug Roberts 60 miles, or maybe tim brown 63 miles contact!
Just my initial fact finding mission!
Mike I think is the closest!
I think this is a positive direction, but also feel someone closer to the land should be the primary contact! Maybe Mike Rizzo 26 miles, John barger 52 miles, Jen Marrs 54 miles, Doug Roberts 60 miles, or maybe tim brown 63 miles contact!
Just my initial fact finding mission!
Mike I think is the closest!
It is important to remember that the landowner dictates the conditions of the arrangement. He also has a couple of cabins on the middle of the property for people to stay in.
Scott
Scott
| QUOTE (newjo @ Jul 28 2004, 05:11 PM) |
| I am willing to be a main conatct, secondary contact what ever is needed, but as stated I can not be at the saturday trail scout/expedition. I think this is a positive direction, but also feel someone closer to the land should be the primary contact! Maybe Mike Rizzo 26 miles, John barger 52 miles, Jen Marrs 54 miles, Doug Roberts 60 miles, or maybe tim brown 63 miles contact! Just my initial fact finding mission! Mike I think is the closest! |
Slow down a moment, we need to learn how to walk before we run.
Saturday's scout mission will be
#1 Recieve signature on the "official" NEA permission form
#2 Receive the parameters of the what our permission will entail
#3 Assess the land for development and lay out a couple of "main" trails
I will continue to be the main contact with the landowner for a little while......remember this is a PILOT PROGRAM......until a good repor is developed between someone of NEWJO's choosing and the landowner.
Scott that is fine, I was just stating I am willing to do whatever is needed!
In other words keep me in the loop Please!
In other words keep me in the loop Please!
Roger that.
After the scout this weekend and the cut next weekend. I will turn over the logistics sucha as date planning and the like to NEWJO. NEWJO will take the lead on trail development, setting dates and such but I would like to still this open to anyone who can help.
Does that make sense?
After the scout this weekend and the cut next weekend. I will turn over the logistics sucha as date planning and the like to NEWJO. NEWJO will take the lead on trail development, setting dates and such but I would like to still this open to anyone who can help.
Does that make sense?
| QUOTE (newjo @ Jul 28 2004, 05:11 PM) |
| I am willing to be a main conatct, secondary contact what ever is needed, but as stated I can not be at the saturday trail scout/expedition. I think this is a positive direction, but also feel someone closer to the land should be the primary contact! Maybe Mike Rizzo 26 miles, John barger 52 miles, Jen Marrs 54 miles, Doug Roberts 60 miles, or maybe tim brown 63 miles contact! Just my initial fact finding mission! Mike I think is the closest! |
PM or email me where this land is exactly...I am always willing to help provided I have time available.
It is in Wentworth NH off of RT 25
We are meeting the landowner tomorrow, if you can come meet us at 10am
Directions
Take I-93 North to Plymouth NH exit #26. Go west on RT 25 into Wentworth
NH. Once you are in Wentworth on NH Route 25, look for a
store/gas station named Shawnee's. We will meet here at 10am
We are meeting the landowner tomorrow, if you can come meet us at 10am
Directions
Take I-93 North to Plymouth NH exit #26. Go west on RT 25 into Wentworth
NH. Once you are in Wentworth on NH Route 25, look for a
store/gas station named Shawnee's. We will meet here at 10am
| QUOTE (ScottCJ7 @ Jul 30 2004, 06:47 AM) |
| It is in Wentworth NH off of RT 25 We are meeting the landowner tomorrow, if you can come meet us at 10am Directions Take I-93 North to Plymouth NH exit #26. Go west on RT 25 into Wentworth NH. Once you are in Wentworth on NH Route 25, look for a store/gas station named Shawnee's. We will meet here at 10am |
Can't I will be in Essex but keep my posted I am probably the closest NEWJO member
scott I re-read my initial post and can see how you might of thought I was jumping the gun. I was talking Club contact, not NEA contact. Whoever from the club steps forward would be the initial club contact that would have to work with you (as the NEA) and the Landowner.
the liason between the club, the associaiton, and the landowner. I don't see the need to take the NEA Conatact out of the loop, the procurer so to speak, the one that kows the rules, requirements and objectives.
The primary "Club" conatact should be willing to work with the landowner, and the NEA and bring back the agenda to the club for execution. the primary should have a secondary person that is clued in on all the goiongs on of the particular parcel of land.
Hope that helps clear up any misconceptions to my thought process.
the liason between the club, the associaiton, and the landowner. I don't see the need to take the NEA Conatact out of the loop, the procurer so to speak, the one that kows the rules, requirements and objectives.
The primary "Club" conatact should be willing to work with the landowner, and the NEA and bring back the agenda to the club for execution. the primary should have a secondary person that is clued in on all the goiongs on of the particular parcel of land.
Hope that helps clear up any misconceptions to my thought process.
Don't worry my mind has been playing tricks on me. 
Most days that I have been posting it has been after working 2 jobs or early in the morning.
Most days that I have been posting it has been after working 2 jobs or early in the morning.
sounds like you had a good trip!
Yep
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