I have recently found a link to this competition from pirate and I am interested in competing. I have read the rules but it says that you must have a registered vehicle and with seat belts for both driver and spotter. My problem is that I have a single seater competition buggy that is cannot be registered nor can it have the spotter ride along. Is there anyway I could compete without a spotter perhaps? Would my buggy even be allowed at all?

Hi there.

If you meet these requirements (and the rest in the rules), you are more than welcome to sign up.

-All Participants must be in a legally registered vehicle from your state.
-Must be a licensed driver

seatbelts are required for each person IN the vehicle.

To add a little background, The legally registered rigs is a requirement of the land owners of the private land on which we run the competition. They feel that a legally registered vehicle gains them some coverage from liability and keeps them in good graces with the locall authorities since some of the travell is on town roads. Being that they are going way out of their way to make their private land open ours is not to argue with their collective peace of mind.

Some tips:

Registered does not mean legally inspected. In most states you need registration to flat tow but no inspection is required. This is the same idea.

In the issue of the single seater buggy I would allow you to run a spotter like everyone else but to get the spotter ride along points you would have to leave your spotter at the trail head for that section. If he gets "involved" in any way you would loose the spotter bonus just like a spotter jumping out of a 2 seater to spot.

( this is my opinion and I am 90% sure it will fly with the rest of the rules committee)

So if you can find a way to stick an old VIN on that buggy and get a matching current registration you will get by No problem.

my 2 cents

don't bend the rules

it's either registered or not

Jim

re: Registered...

I know this requirement comes from a land owner request, but I really like the side effect of having all the competitor vehicles at least in some way resembling production vehicles. I thought this was really cool and sets TDR apart from many of the televised rock crawling competitions.

I also don't think that telling someone to "stick an old VIN on it" reflects very well on NEWJO. Admittedly, many NEWJO member vehicles, including mine, take liberties with certain DMV laws of their registered home states. However, I doubt anyone is using a VIN that doesn't apply to at least one piece of the vehicle.

the buggies attract media, sponsorships and publicity - not to mention spectators.

seems there's a bit of murkiness about what exactly TDR is intended to be. is it a competition with PR and sponsors and the works? or is it a weekend of wheeling with bragging rights being the only reward?

seems if it's the latter - alot of the extra effort some are putting into this event could be better spent simply organizing a really great club and open ride ala "Cool Ride" and leave the competition-style elements to competitions.

Another reason for the registered vehicle requirement is that the Homesteads driveway is technically a town road. Right up to the back door. On the 8th we had F&G visiting. We could easily have them back again along with the local police. Usually they don't take to kindly to driving unregistered vehicles on a town road. Most competitors park in the sand pit off of Sugarhouse Road and drive to the Homestead. Both are town roads.

The final ruling is, is that all vehicles have to be registered in the state they are from (as in the published rules), with a legitimate registration. Tech will be comparing Vin#'s with the registration.


No Vin# and registration.....you won't be allowed to compete with that vehyicle.

Can I chop off the body off my zook?So i can run bigger tires and be lighter. Please.

Can I run a log skidder?

I know where there is a T-72 available .....

Yes you could run a skidder because they have a vin and are generally registered agriculturally or commercially. BUT once you take in the penalties for tire size and lockers along with not being able to turn (no rear steer allowed) you could run a trail perfectly and still end up with negative 10 points

I wouldn't call a skiddah having rear steer. Compared to other vehicles, it has no steering.... center pivot.. :maine:

It holds the same advantage as rear steer in an offroad application.

I know, I was just trying to be smaht being a Mainah. just cause depending on your definition of steering axles, a shiddah has 2 non-steering axles.

Actually, thinking about it, a center pivot wouldn't be anywhere as near close to rear steer. Rear steer gives you the option of front or rear only, and you can turn the tires which ever way at any time.
Center pivot doesn't allow you to swing the back out, crab crawl, or anything like that. Might actually be a hinderance over a front only steering.

Their is still the point that you would have to run the hardest trail perfectly to get a possative score. You would be in the -50 points PER TRAIL area. Over half of the trails have only 50 or less points available for a perfect run.

Maybe we should change the rule to no hydraulic steering and weed out all the rif raf at once